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Quote:Yawn. Get off your soap box would ya? You sound like a real ass.
Coming out against this in the EVE community is probably more difficult than supporting it. I don't think it makes him an ass at all.
It's a two hour recording of someone with a speech impediment being manipulated and humiliated. Most people will feel some sort of moral indignation to it and that does say a lot in view of the former.
Which is the base of this long, tedious controversy. |

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His wife getting involved was a tragic final stanza
I think we all can agree on that |

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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:13:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:
as they say ... the road to hell is paved with good intentions
Good and evil, and joy and woe, and I and thouGÇöcoloured vapours did they seem to me before creative eyes. The creator wished to look away from himself,GÇöthereupon he created the world.
Intoxicating joy is it for the sufferer to look away from his suffering and forget himself. Intoxicating joy and self-forgetting, did the world once seem to me.
This world, the eternally imperfect, an eternal contradiction's image and imperfect imageGÇöan intoxicating joy to its imperfect creator:GÇöthus did the world once seem to me.
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To me, the real disgrace of all of this wasn't the wanton disregard for standards of behavior or our constructs of morality coming forth from Erotica1.
But the absolutely idiotic recitation someone was willing to give, in front of his wife... and the subsequent shitshow which followed it.
Don't ever postulate yourself on TS3 for someone like that (it's sad that I feel the need to say this).
Are people actually this incompetent? Mentally deranged? This made me ill.
He was doing all of this in front of his 'family' ... don't ever do what he did. I can't feel as sorry for him as I could have because he showed a ridiculous disregard for his own dignity. Do you think his wife is happy to be living with him? They'll be to some extent, living with it their entire lives. Because he wanted his "gold" back, that is just simply degeneracy. He knew what was going on from the 45 minute mark, he said as much.
It was so bad that it made me question what it meant to be human. |

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Posted - 2014.03.26 07:50:00 -
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Could you tell me why you guys were so quick to gloss over his personal story of having three kills as an Iraq war veteran if it weren't that it would make it all less funny? |

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Bjurn Akely wrote:
You're probably a bit naive yourself. Having worked with journalists a bit I can tell you that very few of them report stories that they dig into and get facts. Usually hey have an agenda and tailor the presentation of a story to fit it.
This story is a great tool for someone with the agenda of 'videogames are destroying our youth'. Just spin it so that the 'poor malleable boys doing this to that victim are usually so nice and cuddly, but since they started playing this game...'.
Truth is not something journalists care much about. It's the story. You see this every day in the news. Remeber when you last read a story with a subject you know **** about? Remember how wrong the journalist got it? Now understand that is true for just about every story.
More so this story works well with an apparent bipartisan agenda of regulating communications over the internet. |

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Navi Annages wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Navi Annages wrote:Good thing CCP can't intervene over an IP called TS3 which they don't own. Sucka. CCP can do anything it wants with accounts and digital content in this game. They don't even need a reason to do so. And they certainly don't have to explain themselves to anyone. If they want to axe someone because they don't like them, it's covered under the EULA every player agreed to. Incorrect. If no EULA violations can be found that happen 'in game' then CCP opens themselves to litigation. In other words if they cut off a scammer just because he scams within the confines of the EULA just because they have a beef with them then he can legally SUE them.
You'll have to spend quite a bit to not have your suit thrown out on it's face.
i.e. the onus on the litigant is so high it's almost absurdly impractical
I thought you didn't like space lawyering though |

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Navi Annages wrote:I'm too cool to be a Code alt. I personally abhor racism. Especially from some nonhack ex military that makes the uniform look like a disgrace. Does that make sense? Keep defending the racist. Because it's the country that we fought for right? Code members; goons; GOP: dems ect included right? But resorting to racist slurs what a pos.
Is Erotica1 a black man, because it sounds more like an irrelevant pejorative to me, nor a racial slur |

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Someone once said
Quote:A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
Exacting cruelty on a stranger doesn't take a genius and that 'genius' doesn't display it online for some sort of approval or recognition. You were a fool all along.
The irony is that is your "Shakespeare"
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Navi Annages wrote: Right right. I see compaines that are out to make profits swinging ban hammers to and from against people that don't break EULA's. Get real chief. Anonymity is the word of the day. No Eula Breach no nada happen. Like I said Grey. If they take any side without a EULA breach they run into litigation issues. No business opens themselves to litigation without having there bum covered. In this case Erotica 1 is covered.
Oh no, they'll owe him 15 dollars x (?) attourney? |

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Tarojan wrote:
Wrong, racist. he refused to speak with or listen to one of the hosts upon being told he was an african canadian and repeatly refered to him with the N word. Racist and in the UK crinimal. If he was british I would have made a complaint to the police here with a link to the sound could as evidence. People have gone to prision here in the UK for less then that. You yanks may tolerate that behaviour, but its still disgusting.
Sending people to prison or "time out" for using naughty words is why Britain is referred to as a nanny state. |

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It's true that if he had reacted differently we would have never even known it happened. But he broke under pressure. I think the accent ordeal took a heavy toll on him. |

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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:I don't see how anyone with a straight face can use the words torture, victim, etc in relation to a game that you voluntarily play, where the items and actions aren't real, and you can leave at any time you want. You can block/ignore anyone you want, close down TS any time. All that tells me is the person saying this lives a life that must be privileged and free of any actual problems nearing the definition of victim or torture. I don't know about the guy in question, but if singing a song on TS or losing all my spaceship stuff ranked among the big deals in life, my life would be much better than it is now.
The appeal to the female relative is strange as well, like some kind of shaming based on sexism? I don't know. Should I inflict this on a lady, they are such delicate creatures, they may have hysterics or something? I don't tell my grandmother some of the things that goes on in the bedroom which I'm pretty sure would freak her the hell out. It's not something she would understand, and probably eve she wouldn't understand either, so what is it supposed to mean exactly.
The female part is that his wife has now lost so much respect for him after this that she will inevitably cheat on him and now he is just Sokhar alone |

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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:46:00 -
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How would an 'anti-bullying' ect (whatever) rule or judgment in this case impact EVE, especially when a firm precedent has been established by them in favor of it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but CCP Falcon for instance was a pirate in low-sec before obtaining his long desired position there? And may or may not have held primordial 'bonus rooms' in chat channels? The point isn't him, it's that we've always been told EVE is meant to be a harsh place. |

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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:59:00 -
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So none of you have been to the beach and pooped in the ocean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_snow
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: No it won't. A number of people have died playing wow, and wow is still around years later with millions of subscribers.
You can't base everything around what the mentally unstable fringe might do.
That's a good point. Although is it an accurate comparison? The WoW deaths I've heard of have always been due to some pretty hardcore addiction, and not the result of a player being antagonized in some form. Let me ask you something: what is a billion isk to you?To me, its a nicely fit T3 or two. Or maybe a blops. I've eaten those types of losses before. And honestly, so has much of the eve community. When I lost that much isk, I didn't cry, or yell, bang a desk, or threaten someones mother in impotent rage. To me, someone that demonstrates these symptoms has a problem. Maybe even a hardcore addiction as you say, idk. The point is, such a person is not well adjusted, and you can't base policy for a community of hundreds of thousands based on the response of the mentally unstable fringe. Just my 2 isk.
Making value judgments on ISK is besides the point. The issue is that he was humiliated and I think... wasn't so much looking for his ISK back but his pride. |

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PotatoOverdose wrote:Space Juden wrote:
Making value judgments on ISK is besides the point. The issue is that he was humiliated and I think... wasn't so much looking for his ISK back but his pride.
The fact that a billion isk can make someone loose their pride is no less a sign of mental instability or hardcore addiction. We can take pity on the victim, we can sympathize with him, and perhaps we should but in the final analysis this problem begins and ends in the victims mind. You and I are powerless to fix it. If we could, it would be a wonderful thing, not just for the victim, or the Eve community, but for all mankind. But we can't. Maybe CCP should put a big flashing warning sign on the character select screen that says: WARNING THIS IS JUST A GAME. PLEASE DON'T HURT YOURSELF. WE LOVE YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE.
I don't disagree with the point you're making but just losing a billion ISK was just the beginning of his humiliation. |

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Roggle wrote:A racist, homophobic, who threatens to commit murder is scammed. Ya he is a real innocent victim here...
Even if what you said is true, if homo"phobia" was a real fear and "racism" wasn't innate in everyone in at least the pretense of social outgrouping. What does it matter?
Do juries decide sentencing based on the pathology of the victim? |

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PotatoOverdose wrote:Space Juden wrote: Do juries decide sentencing based on the pathology of the victim?
Depending on you municipality, it can be a contributing factor, actually.
That's news to me, I know it happens but it shouldn't in a law system where people are judged on their crimes alone. |

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Remiel Pollard wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Space Juden wrote: Do juries decide sentencing based on the pathology of the victim?
Depending on you municipality, it can be a contributing factor, actually. Except that juries don't decide sentencing, the judge does that.
Some places they do yeah but it's not really the point. |

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lollerwaffle wrote:Space Juden wrote:Roggle wrote:A racist, homophobic, who threatens to commit murder is scammed. Ya he is a real innocent victim here... Even if what you said is true, if homo"phobia" was a real fear and "racism" wasn't innate in everyone in at least the pretense of social outgrouping. What does it matter? Do juries decide sentencing based on the pathology of the victim? LOLwat, victim of an video game scam of imaginary money makes RL death threats, displaying racist and homophobic tendencies. Yes, i believe I do know which way the jury will swing in this case. It's a no brainer really, unless said jury has trouble differentiating between RL and virtual worlds.. What's more when the supposed 'victim' can walk away with just the click of a mousebutton, and maybe 2 more to ensure he never has to come into contact with people he thinks aren't nice to him.
"So, I know my client burned his victims alive, but after all they said a naughty word in the past so... it was ok" |

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Roggle wrote:Space Juden wrote:Roggle wrote:A racist, homophobic, who threatens to commit murder is scammed. Ya he is a real innocent victim here... Even if what you said is true, if homo"phobia" was a real fear and "racism" wasn't innate in everyone in at least the pretense of social outgrouping. What does it matter? Do juries decide sentencing based on the pathology of the victim? The "victim" broke the law (EULA) when he threatend to kill someone. It's not a gray area like what E1 did. Yet no one is mobing up with pitch forks for his head. Guy was a jerk, greedy for money and violent. Let him rot.
I don't really have a side in this, I have opinions about it though. It's just mildly irritating that people are proposing that everything which happened was retroactively justified because in a rage the scammee said bad words |

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How could he be banned if there were no rules in place forbidding the behavior prior to this incident?
To me the question became
should behavior like this or worse than this warrant a reanalysis of CCP's stance
I pointed out how difficult this would be in that current employees of CCP engaged in just this sort of behavior. |

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lollerwaffle wrote:Space Juden wrote:How could he be banned if there were no rules in place forbidding the behavior prior to this incident?
To me the question became
should behavior like this or worse than this warrant a reanalysis of CCP's stance
I pointed out how difficult this would be in that current employees of CCP engaged in just this sort of behavior. Since there are no rules forbidding this behaviour, why should he be banned? Because you don't like this behaviour? BTW ,behaviour like this has happened throughout the 10+ year history of EVE. As and when CCP decides an individual has stepped over the line, they will take action. This action is not determined nor enforced by a subset of players who don't like said behaviour, or do not find it acceptable according to their moral standards.
Should you be in this thread at all if you have such a fundamental deficiency in reading comprehension?
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Riot Girl wrote: They're both pretty much the same thing. That's how sociopaths work.
You should know what you're talking about before you post. Sociopaths usually have very good self esteem. They unfortunately lack the ability to empathize with their victims and lack the ability for self reflection. Empathy is that feeling you get when you're being mean and you suddenly imagine yourself in the persons shoes and feel guilty. Do you get a specific feeling when you so frequently post blatant lies on these forums? "Sociopath" ceased to be a thing a while back. :) I was unaware they had cured people with sociopathic tendencies. Care to post a link? ... you really are that stupid/ignorant, aren't you? Sociopathy as a term was eliminated recently, rolled into antisocial personality disorder.
Are you familiar with the work of George Orwell?
Please stop this mode of semantics or everyone sensible will have to doublethink their way out of here. |

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If Erotica1 broke the rules I hope him and the people involved in the bonus room are banned. Because they broke the rules and I find their actions particularly distasteful and... particularly and egregiously rude.
If they didn't then I think CCP should think about their sandbox and decide accordingly because in the end it's theirs and not mine to decide. |

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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Space Juden wrote:If Erotica1 broke the rules I hope him and the people involved in the bonus room are banned. Because they broke the rules and I find their actions particularly distasteful and... particularly and egregiously rude.
If they didn't then I think CCP should think about their sandbox and decide accordingly because in the end it's theirs and not mine to decide. It happened a month ago. You already have your answer. But Ripard Teg wanted a new one, so he decided to start a fuss about it.
Answers from CCP can take decades |

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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tell that to the pizza ordering guy. Didn't that take about 2 hours?
or the 'snowbunnies'
Their time line is better to take as an unknown variable
edit: snowbunnies refers to cocain fyi |

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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:36:00 -
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Well we know that people engaged in hazing/bullying purport to have won in order to?
Give the victim false hope.
At lest that's what we can tell from the recording |

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Ais Hellia wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?
Why do you keep calling retards "victims"? and you know in real worlds there are real victims suffering from real tortures and comparing them to a grown man crying over space-pixels is A REAL INSULT to them
You don't call someone whose given away his assets through manipulation and made to degrade himself a victim? What do you call a victim? |

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Being coerced to sing songs is humiliating and degrading as someone with a speech impediment being made to orate in various accents is as well
Massaging food items onto yourself falls under that as well |

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He's actually articulating how this can be perceived as a crime |

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Danalee wrote:Space Juden wrote:Being coerced to sing songs is humiliating and degrading as someone with a speech impediment being made to orate in various accents is as well
Massaging food items onto yourself falls under that as well You know you are losing when someone called 'Space Juden' needs to add the same bs others have been vommiting up 24/7 since the thread started. NOT FORCED. ASKED. KINDLY FOR THAT MATTER. D. 
Did I say forced or coerced, doubt you know the difference but there's a subset of verbage where that distinction is real |

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Just a thought experiment
Not making any claims
What if (queue the Ancient Aliens narrator)
TS3 communications don't fall under CCP authority but they may another and virtual assets are deemed as actual assets which are even taxable |

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co-+er-+cion (k+ì-++rGǦzh+Ön, -sh+Ön) n. 1. The act or practice of coercing. 2. Power or ability to coerce.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/ebay-ban.htm
http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1180&context=dltr |

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think there is room for litigation  |

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Abrei-Kaii wrote:Space Juden wrote:think there is room for litigation  Please don't... This thread doesn't need anymore internet lawyer trolls >.>
Well it would be one thing if I was only a troll, it's another that all lawyers may, by some be perceived as trolls
"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions."
-A mister Ronald Regan.
I hope Erotica and Bonus Room participants don't live in America
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Let's face it guys, this thread is the best thing we have in our sad, twisted, petty little lives and it's great |

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Remiel Pollard wrote:Space Juden wrote:Let's face it guys, this thread is the best thing we have in our sad, twisted, petty little lives and it's great Actually, that would be my pet cockatiel I named Enyo. She's sitting happily on a perch nearby, beak-grinding away without a care in the world. If EVE died right now, these forums and this thread along with it, everyone would have something else to do, something else to play, and would get over in a few days at most. TL;DR - speak for yourself.
Maybe I should have gone with "the best thing EVE has going for it" but I was too scared |

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Anyway I had my law firm look into this today and this is what they came up with
Quote:Virtual crime or in-game crime refers to a virtual criminal act that takes place in a massively multiplayer online game, usually an MMORPG. The huge time and effort invested into such games can lead online "crime" to spill over into real world crime, and even blur the distinctions between the two. Some countries have introduced special police investigation units to cover such "virtual crimes". South Korea is one such country and looked into 22,000 cases in the first six months of 2003
Known cases:
In South Korea, where the number of computer game players is massive, some have reported the emergence of gangs and mafia, where powerful players steal and demand that beginners give them virtual money for their "protection".
In China, Qiu Chengwei was sentenced to life in prison after stabbing and killing fellow The Legend of Mir 3 gamer Zhu Caoyuan. In the game Qiu had lent Zhu a powerful sword (a "dragon sabre"), which Zhu then went on to sell on eBay for 7,200 Yuan (about -ú473 or US$870). With no Chinese laws covering the online dispute, there was nothing the police could do.
In the game The Sims Online a 17-year old boy going by the in-game name "Evangeline", was discovered to have built a cyber-brothel, where customers would pay sim-money for minutes of cybersex. This led to the cancellation of his accounts but no legal action, mainly because he was above the age of consent.
The term "virtual mugging" was coined when some players of Lineage II used bots to defeat other player's characters and take their items. In Japan, the Kagawa prefectural police arrested a Chinese foreign exchange student on 16 August 2005 following the reports of virtual mugging and the online sale of the stolen items
It was reported on 14 November 2007 that a Dutch teenager had been arrested for allegedly stealing virtual furniture from "rooms" in 3D social-networking website Habbo Hotel. The teenagers involved were accused of creating fake Habbo websites in order to lure users into entering their account details, which would then be used to steal virtual furniture bought with real money totaling Gé¼4000.
To my everlasting shame I later found that the entire thing was plagiarized from wikipedia
Regardless, will Erotica 1 be the next entry? That is the question poised to you, which you may be able to answer in time. |

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Pew Terror wrote:Kristalll wrote:Pew Terror wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:and none of you find the name of the twitch stream offensive?
history weeps
m Naming yourself after the event that started the mass slaughter of jews... Seriously sometimes i wonder where society is going with online interaction becoming the norm for a large percentage of people. Because forgetting the past is better? Nah education on the topc is good. Im german myself, i had relative in the war. We had 2 years in school on the topc alone. Its just from my cultural background that the topic shouldnt be taken lightly.
As a jew, I've often wondered
"what if we just got sick in the camps and the Germans tried to cremate us?"
The larger question I think and how it relates to this thread, is how do vested interests interact with a commonly held (supposed to be detached) view of ethics and morality when matched with second hand evidence? Is there any truth that can be gleaned or are we all hopelessly jaded?
For instance, what do we know about what happened? And should we do anything about it... Do we have enough to make a judgment, if you find that you do you're obligated in some degree to pursue the persecution and punishment of Erotica1 and his cohorts. If you don't then... respond in his defense.
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oh my |

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it's happening |

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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:39:00 -
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Oh prideful sokar , speaking as a celebrity now |

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Sokar is becoming a lolcow for EVE esoteric mystics |

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Posted - 2014.03.28 05:56:00 -
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a scalawag
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Posted - 2014.03.28 06:40:00 -
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The reality is Sohkar stabbed us in the back. Damn you to hell Yehuda |

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Ranger 1 wrote:Space Juden wrote:The reality is Sohkar stabbed us in the back. Damn you to hell Yehuda How dare he not be the victim everyone demands that he be. The nerve!
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Thus passed with the lonesome one months [and years];
his wisdom meanwhile increased, and caused him pain by its abundance.
One morning, however, he awoke ere the rosy dawn, and having meditated long on his couch, at last spake thus to his heart:
Why did I startle in my dream, so that I awoke? Did not a child come to me, carrying a mirror?
"O Zarathustra"GÇösaid the child unto meGÇö"look at thyself in the mirror!"
But when I looked into the mirror, I shrieked, and my heart throbbed: for not myself did I see therein, but a devil's grimace and derision.
Verily, all too well do I understand the dream's portent and monition: my DOCTRINE is in danger; tares want to be called wheat! Mine enemies have grown powerful and have disfigured the likeness of my doctrine, so that my dearest ones have to blush for the gifts that I gave them.
Lost are my friends; the hour hath come for me to seek my lost ones!GÇö
With these words Zarathustra started up, not however like a person in anguish seeking relief, but rather like a seer and a singer whom the spirit inspireth. With amazement did his eagle and serpent gaze upon him: for a coming bliss overspread his countenance like the rosy dawn. |

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sohkar wrote:i just got off the TS with erotica 1 and i did this to try to put a end to all this stuff people are putting out there and get how i felt about everything. I think all you people need to drop it. the "bonus room" happened over a month ago. Ask yourself why is it now just coming out now? if it wasnt for the article written about it no one would know or care. I know some of you said its not about erotica 1 or myself and you maybe right but what is it about then that people got scam it happens all the time even in RL. I got scammed and made an fool of myself in the process he did not ask me to do anything that would personalize me to people i dont know other then by my voice. Scamming and bonus rooms are not the problem until it makes someone hurt then selfs or others til then you may not agree with mine bumping or scamming then dont do it. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it a crime
You can read my last post if you want, though I realize this is a completely futile task.
I hope you learn something from this, you're an individual and you are free. Having said that I'm done. |
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